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Balun musings

Posted: 01 Oct 2020 12:37 PM PDT
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For a while now I'm thinking about a coax wound airbalun to feed my
vertical, in between the autotuner and the antenna. The design is made by
PA0FRI and therefore sometimes called the PA0FRI balun. The main
advantages: It's cheap and easy to make, it cannot become saturated. It is
not a balun like the commercial ones you can buy. In fact it is a HF
transformer, it transforms from unbalanced to balanced. I studied the
website well and decided to make a switchable balun 1:1 and 1:4 ratio since
I don't know the impedance of my vertical antenna system. What I overlooked
is that the transformation ratio is only working for a real ohmic
impedance, besides that it seems the lengths of coax on the balun have a
influence on the impedance especially when they are relatively long
compared to the wavelength. This is exactly what happened when I tested my
prototype balun (I didn't know that before but learned from other wise men).




I actually was surprised about the measurement results above 18 MHz. But if
I had a better look on PA0FRI's page I should expect it. actually PA0FRI
build a smaller balun to overcome a problem on the higher frequencies. Not
shure though if this is a improvement of my antennasystem if implemented.
Only testing it real time will give me a impression of how it is working.
However I was not shure if I made the balun right and desoldered the relay
to test the balun at 1:1 position, it was a disaster and not what I wanted
to see. With 50 Ohm at the antenna side of the balun I couldn't see 50 Ohm
on the other side, not on any frequency. I realize I don´t use 50 Ohm but
75 Ohm cable, could that be a problem. But my analyzer only does 50 Ohm
measurements so how can I test if the balun is ok? Searching on the
internet I came to the conclusion that measuring a balun with a MFJ259 is
difficult. Especially if you want to construct a wideband version. The way
I tested the balun is a improper way and gives a faulty impression. W8JI
gives a very basic balance quality test example (find it in the MFJ259
manual as well!). However it is very basic and tells the balun is working
though not what quality it is. A 1:4 balun also shows a phase difference in
signal that can only be measured with a scope and signal generator. I don't
have that kind of equipment as a simple hobbyist so building a proper balun
will be difficult or purely experimental.
So I'm re-thinking this whole balun concept. I probabely see it all in
the wrong way, but something or someone has to open my eyes.
I might try a compact design like the one DH1TW made. It fits in a small
box and is easier to fix high in the tower between the vertical and
autotuner. Besides that I still got a FT240-61 ferrite ring in my "junk"
box somewhere. However I have to rely on his test results since I have no
proper gear to measure it.
Yes I can buy a pre fabricated one at ON7FU. But what is the fun of that....
Another balun, or transformer project has been repaired. Remember my
beverage efforts in 2019? Well, I was very enthousiastic about the results
when suddenly it came to a stop. I presumed it was the rain that was
terminating the fence and suddenly I didn't have good results anymore. Even
when it went dry the results were not that good as before. Now I know why.
One of the transformers smelled. You know that smell from burned
isolation...I finally had some time to look closer and disassembled both
transformers. Both were showing burns, you can see it on the wire on the
photo, the light parts of the wire have no isolation on it anymore. I can't
remember but I probabely transmitted on the beverage coax by
accident "blowing up" both transformers. I have repaired both now and have
some other experiments in mind to use them. I really have to be careful
though to not transmit at all. I've been thinking, if it happens again, I
will replace this "coated" transformer wire with thin wire and decent
thicker isolation.
wicklowham
2020-10-03 15:10:08 UTC
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Balun musings
Posted: 01 Oct 2020 12:37 PM PDT
https://pe4bas.blogspot.com/2020/10/balun-musings.html
  For a while now I'm thinking about a coax wound airbalun to feed my
vertical, in between the autotuner and the antenna. The design is made
by PA0FRI and therefore sometimes called the PA0FRI balun. The main
advantages: It's cheap and easy to make, it cannot become saturated. It
is not a balun like the commercial ones you can buy. In fact it is a HF
transformer, it transforms from unbalanced to balanced. I studied the
website well and decided to make a switchable balun 1:1 and 1:4 ratio
since I don't know the impedance of my vertical antenna system. What I
overlooked is that the transformation ratio is only working for a real
ohmic impedance, besides that it seems the lengths of coax on the balun
have a influence on the impedance especially when they are relatively
long compared to the wavelength. This is exactly what happened when I
tested my prototype balun (I didn't know that before but learned from
other wise men).
I actually was surprised about the measurement results above 18 MHz. But
if I had a better look on PA0FRI's page I should expect it. actually
PA0FRI build a smaller balun to overcome a problem on the higher
frequencies. Not shure though if this is a improvement of my
antennasystem if implemented. Only testing it real time will give me a
impression of how it is working. However I was not shure if I made the
balun right and desoldered the relay to test the balun at 1:1 position,
it was a disaster and not what I wanted to see. With 50 Ohm at the
antenna side of the balun I couldn't see 50 Ohm on the other side, not
on any frequency. I realize I don´t use 50 Ohm but 75 Ohm cable, could
that be a problem. But my analyzer only does 50 Ohm measurements so how
can I test if the balun is ok? Searching on the internet I came to the
conclusion that measuring a balun with a MFJ259 is difficult. Especially
if you want to construct a wideband version. The way I tested the balun
is a improper way and gives a faulty impression. W8JI gives a very basic
balance quality test example (find it in the MFJ259 manual as well!).
However it is very basic and tells the balun is working though not what
quality it is. A 1:4 balun also shows a phase difference in signal that
can only be measured with a scope and signal generator. I don't have
that kind of equipment as a simple hobbyist so building a proper balun
will be difficult or purely experimental.
  So I'm re-thinking this whole balun concept. I probabely see it all
in the wrong way, but something or someone has to open my eyes.
I might try a compact design like the one DH1TW made. It fits in a small
box and is easier to fix high in the tower between the vertical and
autotuner. Besides that I still got a FT240-61 ferrite ring in my "junk"
box somewhere. However I have to rely on his test results since I have
no proper gear to measure it.
Yes I can buy a pre fabricated one at ON7FU. But what is the fun of that....
Another balun, or transformer project has been repaired. Remember my
beverage efforts in 2019? Well, I was very enthousiastic about the
results when suddenly it came to a stop. I presumed it was the rain that
was terminating the fence and suddenly I didn't have good results
anymore. Even when it went dry the results were not that good as before.
Now I know why. One of the transformers smelled. You know that smell
from burned isolation...I finally had some time to look closer and
disassembled both transformers. Both were showing burns, you can see it
on the wire on the photo, the light parts of the wire have no isolation
on it anymore. I can't remember but I probabely transmitted on the
beverage coax by accident "blowing up" both transformers. I have
repaired both now and have some other experiments in mind to use them. I
really have to be careful though to not transmit at all. I've been
thinking, if it happens again, I will replace this "coated" transformer
wire with thin wire and decent thicker isolation.
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Suggest you use teflon insulated wire. Years ago I bought 2 rolls at
the "Lichtmis" annual open-air flea market between Meppel and Zwolle-NL
It is multi-strand silver plated wire ,excellent stuff.

Frank , EI7KS in County Wicklow - Ireland
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